ਵਰਤੋਂਕਾਰ ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ:Itar buttar/Archive 3

Babel templates!

No TariButtar! The babel templates are to remain in the languages that they are in, because they are for purposed outside this wiki, if an English wikipedian comes and sees everybody's user-page and sees only Punjabi how you will think he will know who and where to go? please revert yourself, they are in their own various languages for a reason, Thanks --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੦੮:੨੬, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I agree with Zarienah, they should be in their original format but title must be Punjabi.--ਸੰਧੂ | kJ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੮:੩੫, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I just did it in good faith and have no objection if anyone revert it but not by clicking revert or undo button please revert it manually by removing all the mistakes of the previous writings/spellings etc.. I mean the templates were not so correct to revert using a tool. I repeat you views guys, I also thought so but the level numbers, I think, enough to make users understand about the babel template. Even the Punjabi babel template on the en.wiki is in English. What you say on this. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੯:੦੦, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

But can't you revert it? I mean as an admin can't you revert things with ease? --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੦:੧੯, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Of course I can but as I told that with the ease method it'll revert to the previous that was not so good by spellings, style, coding etc.. It is better to do it manually, no doubt I'll help. But what about the Punjabi babel templates on the en.wiki why they are in English? --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੦:੨੫, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Probably because of this Shahmukhi-Gurmukhi-Devanagari drama, many Pakistanis use that template and if we make it Gurmukhi they will all probably flame up. --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੦:੨੯, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I think the Shahmukhi is not drama but Devanagri is that's being personally applied on Punjabi. Anyway I'll discuss about the babel template with the community there. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੦:੩੬, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I am agree with Zarienah and Kooljeet, please fix our Babel Tempalates --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੨:੪੮, ੪ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Why give them Punjabi titles at all? They are special ISO codes that all these languages use, all non-latin scripted wikis use these ISO codes. I advise that the same be done here too. §§VibhasKS_ਚਰਚਾ ੧੫:੦੯, ੩੦ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

The Case on me By Zarienah

Would you help me in this?

Haha. I am sorry for writing ਤਰੀ :p . --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੪:੨੨, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

As you're seeing, I'm better active on the discussion and even told you to contact the other account's owner (as you said that's your father) to come and explain as Zarienah asked. Please tell him about the seriousness of the case and what would be its result.

But as I found the discussion is not coming to an end and just being long without any very good points, I think we should get help from someone that is experienced in such cases. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੪:੪੫, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

The other accounts owner is just giving answers like Satdeep, & please discuss this where the case is open, don't bring it here. --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੫:੩੩, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Your Community & You...

From what I have understood in English, you are misusing your adminship and you are terrorizing all the users especially the new ones. You have assumed bad faith on them and the rest of your community and you have an attitude that is really not appropriate. Other users like user:Zarienah are starting to learn from you and your wrong attitude. I have made a list of all your faults (I may have missed many faults as I can't understand the Punjabi text):

• Rabindernath Tagore argument - You attacked the user using "//consider discussing a title to be correct with native Punjabis as your own account/user name is not correctly spelled//" - totally inappropriate, an admin should have used a better means of using language and the personal attack is not needed. If somebody said that to me, I would not be happy and neither would you. People don't go "learn from the native english" on the english wikipedia.
• Devanagari issue - you used sharp hurtful words "//your Hindi knowing people using Devnagri to write Punjabi.//" "//your devanagari"// "//its not official dear//" - how can you expect a nice answer after that? Simple ignorance and rudeness, take an example from us Kashmiris, Devanagari is not official at all but we still use it in our wikipedia? I've seen the Hindus of Jammu using Devanagari as a medium to write Punjabi. You don't have to be so rude and who are you to deny peoples lipi?
• ਫਰਮਾ ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ:ਜਾਣਕਾਰੀ - Shijualex's points are absolutely right and justified, I suggest you use autoconfirmed, your wiki's community isn't that large either don't assume bad faith on them.
  • QUOTE "//You said, "I was also told things by the other users so don't try me" oh what a polite attitude! It adds to your attitude that you've been told, yet you vandalised wiki and even accusing others bcz of your personal opinion and attitude of "I-am-always-right". Even after being told you do so it clearly means that you don't have a learning nature that is already appeared through the conflicts you're making here. Users know better about my attitude and one 'll not check your comment here to know how TariButtar is; it's recorded in the history of the wiki. The wiki has small community that's why you're not taken any action against yet, otherwise do the same on a wiki with large community you'll learn better. And, please repaire your behaviour and try a learning nature.//" Read that and learn from your own words, Practice what you preach.
  • QUOTE"//please don't. It'll add to conflicts as there is no one as experienced to be, if another one is here the conflicts will increase and wiki'll be just a battlefield.//" - more bad faith on the users. thinking that they cant be admins, reserving the right only to yourself.
• ਫਰਮਾ ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ:ਸੰਦਰਭ - A new user came to create a template for you yet you were quick to delete it in your bad faith
  • "//Please don't alter Punjabi on the basis of some dics; you are not a native Punjabi. ਸੰਦਰਭ is a Hindi word, transliterated.//" - Once again, hurtful, sharp words, unwelcoming, I've seen Chinese who can speak fluent Hindi & Punjabi, just because you are a native doesn't make you a professorial.
  • "//Please be bold and try learning Punjabi. You've no right to alter Punjabi just coming from a non Punjabi community."// "// but if you're not Punjabi you should be bold learning it if you wanna contribute to it."// - Seriously? Why don't you just put a big notice on your main page saying: "NO NON-PUNJABIS ALLOWED TO EDIT, ONLY NATIVE PUNJABIS THAT COME FROM PUNJABI COMMUNITIES". because thats your whole attitude, wiki is for everybody to edit, you don't live in England but you know English so?... exactly
• I've also noticed that you keep going "Thanks for your view" when a user comments on your side, please stop that as it discourages the other side.
• VibhasKS - again you assume your way is the only way and alongside Zarienah you basically told him to buzz off and edit small things.

Please also note that Wikipedia is not compulsorily and is totally voluntary, you should welcome your volunteers and assume good faith on them, It saddens me because the Kashmiri Wikipedia has hardly any community so you should be happy that you have one and you should be happy to hear out their views instead of your "my-way-is-the-only-way-attitude". I will contact Meta-Wiki stewards to also examine the situation. Meanwhile don't get angry when reading this because it's all your quotes and what your current newbies think about, instead of fighting for your adminship, learn from your mistakes because hey! thats what the wikipedia is about! Thanks for your time that you have given to hear me out. --Farah Desai Khan^Talk ੧੫:੨੨, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Cont.

Thanks, Farah! --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੬:੨੮, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

"Our" own Community & "Us"

A very good day to all of you! Avoiding any circumlocution, I request one and all to please keep the interest of language and the project above everything else, above your personal preferences, grudges or mistakes...Please!!! I'm very disheartened at the sorry state of affairs going on here, especially the mud-slinging which seems to be the taste of the day. I'd try to be very objective (and impartial) but "to err is human". I would copy-paste the comments here as I prefer them to redundant links, but rest assured, those ought not to be taken in personal sense. The user aforementioned (फ़ाराह् देसाईं खान) has made a list of faults; perhaps I should go by the same order:

1.Rabindernath Tagore argument: I'm very much a proponent of accommodating and welcoming the edits from all users (doesn't matter whether native or not) but it should never come at the cost of quality. Please imagine me going to the English Wikipedia and changing the title of the article "Rabindranath Tagore" to "Ravin(e)dranath Thakur". It is by far the most apt comparison, as the worthy user was opting for "ਰਵੀੰਦ੍ਰਨਾਥ ਠਾਕੁਰ" which, I'd not hesitate to say is utterly wrong. Don't you think someone on English wiki would have warned or told me the rules to write in English correctly? The supposed guest said "If somebody said that to me, I would not be happy and neither would you. People don't go "learn from the native english" on the english wikipedia." Please no, the ethical and laager-free response is "If somebody said that to me, I would be happy to correct my mistake and dont go all gaga over my righteousness." and did you care to have a look at the supposed reply of the user to admin's (allegedly harsh) speculation. It goes something like: "did you even try to look inside dictionary to find actual meaning go look and then come give me some lawyerings about my motherlangage and how I spell things". Is this response worthy of emulation by anyone, who on the top of committing an error is non-accepting of the same?? It may come as my bias (or personal opinion), but at some point you need to tell somebody that they are wrong.

2.Devanagari issue: Yes, I agree the tone is not the best that could have been used. But I would like to add that merely writing a language in some script doesn't grant it the official status. Punjabi is written in Gurmukhi (official in Punjab, India) and Shahmukhi (official in Punjab, Pakistan). I agree people of neighbouring states write it in devnagari, but the status is unofficial. I'm even going to report this matter to English Wikipedia's authorities. You can even see there is no official reference on that page to support the fact that it is written in devnagari except this one "http://www.lmp.ucla.edu/Profile.aspx?LangID=95&menu=004" whose questionable (and thus unreliable) credibility can be easily ascertained from the wrong shading of the Punjabiphone areas. Unless there is some reliable source, you cannot say Devanagari is used for writing Punjabi though it may be true yet not proved or official. Plus if one has solid reasons and citings for this usage, they must at once approach the authorities for the start of a new wikipedia instead of forcing others to budge to their opinions about the usage. The user writes : "Simple ignorance and rudeness, take an example from us Kashmiris, Devanagari is not official at all but we still use it in our wikipedia? I've seen the Hindus of Jammu using Devanagari as a medium to write Punjabi. You don't have to be so rude and who are you to deny peoples lipi?" "Who is he??" the user asks. Now does this tone showcase the "simple ignorance and rudeness". Let me answer the question to my best ability. His allegedly rude behaviour not withstanding, he is in fact an admin of this page who has worked laboriously on this page for many a days unlike the guests who come here and start questioning the working of a wikipedia in matter of a single day. Really, one day on this wiki is enough for making the said user able to comment on its working and comparing the attitudes of "us Kashmiris" and directing the admin and the users to "take examples from them"?? On my facebook account, all my friends write Punjabi or Hindi in Latin script. So should not (and mind it I'm saying in the lack of appropriate official references) I mention on the page that due to lack of "writing resources" or the "ease of writing", Punjabi and Hindi are also written in Latin script??

3. The user says "Practice what you preach". Yet that's the only thing missing in all the comments for past 2-3 days. Otherwise why the fuss??

4.ਫਰਮਾ ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ:ਸੰਦਰਭ a) Logical Reasoning: No need to change name of a template, even if for earth's sake, we believe "sandarbh" (see I wrote Punjabi in Latin script) is a Punjabi word, then I take it that many users agree it's for "context" and not "references". The comment is "I've seen Chinese who can speak fluent Hindi & Punjabi, just because you are a native doesn't make you a professorial." Very pleasing to hear, indeed but I don't think the mistakes we are talking about here were committed by those Chinese?? b) Lexical Reasoning: In case of disputes, only the Majhi dialect is considered the standard textbook (and thus wikibook) dialect and not those used in Malwa, Doaba, Jammu or even China!!! If there is already a Punjabi word "Hawale" (undisputed in its nativeness) for it, why use another just because the user's mentality goes like "So what if it's a duplicate? I'dont really know the word that you use so why don't you you delete yours?" I'm really appalled; now users want that their own local dialects should be given preference at the cost of standard Punjabi. That way we can have numerous wikipedias on all the dialects of English, Spanish, French, Punjabi and what not. Have these worthy users noticed that the dialects used for Spanish And French for their wikis are respectively "Castilian" and "Metropolitan" and not any other dialect, however strong its populace may be!!

So, please I request the whole of community: "Lets work together day and night so that one day we look back and feel proud of ourselves that Yes! We did this, together." There is nothing wrong in accepting mistakes. I'm sure I faltered many a times writing this whole plethora of replies and I'd feel no shame if I'm told of one. Remember, we're all here for learning, not preaching. Please take this wiki to soaring heights. Thanks a lot :))--Babanwalia (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੭:੪੫, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Cont.2

Babanwali replied in much the same way I was supposed to but the same from me may consider creating wars here. So I just bowed to the user and thanked him/her for making efforts to collect stuff. I had even written a reply in much the similar way but didn't posted it just to avoid more conflicts. My mind was in a balanced state as I don't think I've done so wrong to the wiki and users. Farah Desai Khan, came from the ks.wiki, on the request of a conflicting user, VibhasKS (that also vandalised and duplicated the wiki), and just followed his instructions and examine only the links provide by VibhasKS and even not said a single word to him about his edits or behaviour. It doesn't expected from a wikipedian specially admin on a project. Farah is admin on ks.wiki and I think I was the only one supporting him/her on the local (ks.wiki) request page, when a voting was open for him/her to be elected. But after getting admin's right, I think on 22 August 2012, he/she is not so active on the wiki yet said, "take example from our Kashmiris". But I think it's not the place to discuss this.

I didn't linked to where I faced unwelcoming or similar behaviour from users but accepted it in a happy way and forgot it.

"Lets work together." Thanks everyone who give their time to examine my contributions even if they searched for bad or good. Thanks! --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੮:੪੨, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Hello Babanwalia, seems you have also been influenced by this admin. TariButtar knows he is experienced and knows what he has done is wrong and needs to practice what he preaches he said to other users that their attitude needs fixing, he also alleged that the new user VibhasKS has the :my-way-is-the-only-way" attitude meanwhile if you examine his discussions you will see that it is TariButtar's attitude, so I can't explain this in any other way, but in only a criticizing tone. I'm not a professorial but I am also an administrator on the Kashmiri Wikipedia and have come to know how the role works. Keep in mind that you shouldn't follow everything this admin says, especially how he reacts to other users and the same should go for Zarienah & Babanwalia, all 3 of you I find to be hostile to your new users and the attitude you 3 have is disgusting, You need to learn how to assume good faith on others. And it looks like even after Quoting TariButtar and finding every fault you find me wrong. I will have to see that an RfC case is started. You 3 need alot of outside people to criticize your actions around here, so I'll be the second out of many who will examine your contributions and your hostility to newbies. Babanwalia, for Devanagari issues please start a discussion on my English wikipedia talk page or on the talk of the actual article. Thank you all, I wish the best for all indic language wikipedias --Farah Desai Khan^Talk ੧੮:੫੨, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Analise me too! tell me how I have a hostile attitude to new users? Just want to help them so they become good editors? --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੯:੨੪, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Thanx a lot Farah Sir!! You may find my attitude disgusting but I can't say I can reciprocate the feeling. I respect the stature you possess but this comment "I find to be hostile to your new users and the attitude you 3 have is disgusting" to make me think otherwise for you have shown a clear framing bias. I never took sides on behaviour or attitude of Taributtar, but sorry I can take sides on my own opinion of the dispute going on. Please do see that a case is started and also make sure that only those outsiders, who take a holistic rather than hostile view of the problem, should look into this matter and not you after just one day of "study". Yes, I agree that I personally always need many people to criticize me, but those persons should deserve the position to criticize me. Atleast I don't find you in that position (personally) and I'm sorry for that. If the definition of "hostile" is "One should be made aware of his/her mistake", then maybe you're right that I, the one "allegedly" cajoled by the admin, have shown hostility. Then you can check on my talkpage that the same admin has shown hostility towards me on various occasions, but I accept that I was wrong there. Also you said "And it looks like even after Quoting TariButtar and finding every fault you find me wrong". No sir, it's always sense of perception, how we perceive things, that make things wrong. And may I be so bold to ask "And it looks like even after Quoting VibhasKS and finding every fault, you find me, Zareinah and Taributtar wrong". Maybe you are under his influence: I can accuse you of that but I would rather refrain from doing so. The responsibility to judge someone is always challenging and always takes the best of you. If you are here to judge, judge both sides. Yes, sir you are free to examine me doing my part of bringing mistakes to the fore, including mine and if you want you can label that as "hostility". You say "your hostility to newbies". Now that has irked me a lot. Why are you generalizing that I took a hostile view when I never even talked to any newbie? Or is it that anyone who has views incoherent with yours, is a hostile and disgusting user?? Anyways, thanks a lot. And again I'm not here to offend but befriend :))--Babanwalia (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੯:੩੫, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Babanwalia, that's just her words, the new users think I'm hostile but I think they may want a new Admin, I think Babanwalia should be, if you make a mistake we can notify but you are a fast learner and sure know how to deal with people nicely and neutrally! your ideal! --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੨੦:੧੫, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

heya! Chill out :)

A Lassi for you! Hey Tari, Cool down and chill out! Have a nice sweet, and cool Lassi to help tantalize your taste-buds and cool down. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a lassi, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy! --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੨੦:੪੭, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Hey, Thanks Zarienah! --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੧:੦੧, ੪ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Infobox county

Babanwalia has translated the template and it is ready to be moved into the main space, please do so and redirect the existing infobox to it, thanks --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੨੦:੦੬, ੪ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Please always provide a link to which you're talking about. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੦:੩੪, ੫ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

This one, & please use ਸੰਦੂਕ instead of ਡੱਬਾ, because ਡੱਬਾ would refer to a cardboard box or some sort of container, while ਸੰਦੂਕ seems more applicable to an infobox thanks, --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੨:੧੯, ੫ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Oh no dear. If you think ਡੱਬਾ 'll refer to a cardboad box then I wanna tell you that ਸੰਦੂਕ refers to a wooden box and even have problem creating character tippi and is longer. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੨:੨੬, ੫ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Sorry didn't get you, are you saying we can't use tippi in templates or something? --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੨:੨੯, ੫ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

noticed you quickly used ਡੱਬਾ even though another user supported the use of ਸੰਦੂਕ, please wait for us to catch on, and as an admin you should have adhered to what the users wanted. ਸੰਦੂਕ refers to a square arch which will not only be limited to a wooden box but also this infobox, whereas I still believe ਡੱਬਾ is only limited to a square container, whether it be a wooden cardboard or plastic box. --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੨੨:੦੧, ੬ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

please you may have noticed this ... Or not? --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੦:੨੧, ੭ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

yes and please wait. I'm busy a little. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੦:੨੬, ੭ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Please let me make my point and don't think I'm describing my preference to be the best as some may take it to be.

Now; I don't know about your resources using which you learn but wanna tell you that ਡੱਬਾ is the most frequent while, I think, ਸੰਦੂਕ is a forgotten-like word used only for "a wooden box with legs used for clothes as an almirah". Wanna give some examples: either it's big or small, people always use, "ਇਹ ਡੱਬਾ ਇੱਥੇ ਲਿਆ, ਡੱਬੇ ਚ ਕੀ ਹੈ?" etc. They'll rarely use ਸੰਦੂਕ , I think, in case of only "a wooden box with legs". ਸੰਦੂਕ is forgotten-like and rare in use. ਡੱਬਾ is frequently used for every square thing, be it of any material (plastic, steel, cardboad) or any size. And these are just its side benefits that it's small and having no problem creating characters in it. Also, wanna others on it being enough clear. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੩:੧੩, ੭ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

List of Templates

Tari Ji where can i look for the list of available templates on Punjabi Wiki. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੫:੧੬, ੬ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

You can check them at ਲੇਖ ਬੇਹਤਰੀ ਫਰਮੇ. Working on the templates that are available but not here. Also, for better result, please check instructions before use. Thanks! --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੯:੦੦, ੬ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਵਿਗਿਆਨਕ ਨਾਮ

ਤਾਰੀ ਜੀ, ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰਕੇ ਦੱਸੋ ਕਿ ਇਸ ਵਿਕਿ ਉੱਤੇ ਜੀਵਾਂ ਆਦਿ ਦੇ ਵਿਗਿਆਨਕ ਨਾਮ, ਜੋ ਕਿ ਲਾਤੀਨੀ ਭਾਸ਼ਾ ਤੋਂ ਉਪਜਦੇ ਹਨ, ਕਿਸ ਤਰਾਂ ਲਿਖੇ ਜਾਣ: ਗੁਰਮੁਖੀ 'ਚ ਲਿਪਾਂਤਰਤ ਕਰਕੇ ਜਾਂ ਰੋਮਨ 'ਚ ਹੀ ਜਾਂ ਦੋਵੇਂ ਇਕੱਠੇ? ਜਲਦੀ ਉੱਤਰ ਦੇਣਾ। ਧੰਨਵਾਦ--Babanwalia (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੨:੦੯, ੬ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਮੇਰੇ ਖ਼ਿਆਲ ’ਚ ਤਾਂ ਲਾਤੀਨੀ ਵਿਚ ਲਿਖੇ ਜਾਣੇ ਚਾਹੀਦੇ ਹਨ। ਕੁਝ ਖ਼ਾਸ ਹਾਲਤਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ transliteration ਵਰਤਣੀ ਚਾਹੀਦੀ ਹੈ। --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੨:੨੨, ੬ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Page protection

Hi TariButtar, I saw you protected many pages with reason "excessive vandalism", while you were the only contributor...setting apart you're a vandal I guess there's a mistake, isn't it? --Vituzzu (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੨੦:੪੮, ੬ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Thanks for being here. I've not protected them because of vandalism but against vandalism. And may be you noticed that they are not fully protected and can be edited by autoconfirmed users. Have you checked how much vandalism is here specially from new and IP users. Also, may be you noticed that the protected are in template or Wikipedia namespace and which I think are not of interest of new users from which they're protected, autoconfirmed can edit them very well. But if you wish, I can unprotect them but please you'll help us fighting vandalism. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੦:੫੯, ੭ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Actually the level of vandalism is really low on pa.wiki and, usually, preventive protection is not a good idea. Finally I several [edit=sysop] templates (for example). At a glance you seem to work on pa.wiki the en.wiki way, while pa.wiki has surely differents needs than en.wiki. --Vituzzu (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੪:੧੪, ੨੨ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I completely agree with Vituzzu. Protection must be employed only on particular pages and only after they were frequently vandalized. Please unprotect them. Leaving them protected doesn't actually protect this wiki - it hurts it. The whole idea of a wiki is that everybody can edit it. Too much protection destroys it. --(Amir E. Aharoni, not logged in) 192.114.91.245 ੧੪:੨੬, ੨੨ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I don't agree that vandalism here is as low as you're saying. And is the example given by you needs any more improvements? Please check which is protected against what? I just reduced the efforts made fighting vandalism for me and of course other sincere users. I can soften the protection if you insist but you have to promise helping us fighting vandalism being much active as I seen you're not much active and discussing just based on a one day study. Anyway thanks for being here. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੪:੩੫, ੨੨ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Vandalism here is definitely lower than in the English Wikipedia, and yet pages are not protected there without a good reason. Please remove the protection and allow anonymous users to edit all pages. Protecting a page without a good reason is bad usage of admin tools. It kills the development of the wiki. --ਅਮੀਰ ਏਲਿਸ਼ਾ ਅਹਰੋਨਿ / Amir E. Aharoni (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੨੦:੩੩, ੨੨ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I'll do this as the community wish but please tell me which protected (although all are semi-protected) page needs improvement that can be done by anonymous users which have been blocked due to protection? --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੧:੩੫, ੨੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

All of them, without even looking.

All pages need improvement, and the whole idea of the wiki is the belief that anonyous users cn improve them. It's not just belief - there is extensive research that shows that the majority of the anonymous users' contributions are improvements and not vandalism. --ਅਮੀਰ ਏਲਿਸ਼ਾ ਅਹਰੋਨਿ / Amir E. Aharoni (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੫:੪੭, ੨੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Although, not all the protections done by me but okay; I've no objection removing them. Also, please tell me, should we have a discussion with the community or the two users requesting is enough? --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੬:੧੯, ੨੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Feel free to bring anything to wider discussion. --ਅਮੀਰ ਏਲਿਸ਼ਾ ਅਹਰੋਨਿ / Amir E. Aharoni (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੬:੩੧, ੨੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Thanks! :-) I'm gonna start a discussion. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੬:੩੫, ੨੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਸਹੀ ਉਚਾਰਨ ਅਤੇ ਹਿੱਜੇ

ਸਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ! ਤਾਰੀ ਜੀ, ਕੀ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਦੱਸ ਸਕਦੇ ਹੋ ਕਿ ਲ ਅਤੇ ਲ਼ ਦੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਰਕ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਕਿਹੜਾ ਕਿੱਥੇ ਵਰਤੀਦਾ ਹੈ? ਧੰਨਵਾਦ--Babanwalia (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੪:੨੪, ੭ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

"ਲ" ਦੀ ਹਾਲਤ ਚ ਜੀਭ ਤਾਲ਼ੂ ਨਾਲ਼ ਹੀ ਛੂੰਹਦੀ ਹੈ ਜਦਕਿ "ਲ਼" ਦੀ ਅਵਾਜ਼ ਜੀਭ ਦੇ ਉਪਰ ਘੱਟ ਅਤੇ ਹੇਠਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਥੋੜਾ ਜਿਹਾ ਅਗਲੇ ਦੰਦਾਂ ਨਾਲ਼ ਛੂਹਣ ਨਾਲ਼ ਆਉਂਦੀ ਹੈ। ਮਿਸਾਲ ਲਈ "ਪਾਲੀ" ਅਤੇ "ਪਾਲ਼ੀ" ਦੇ ਪਾਠ ਅਤੇ ਮਤਲਬ ਵਿਚ ਫ਼ਰਕ ਨੂੰ ਨੋਟ ਕਰੋ। ਪਾਲੀ ਨਾਮ ਹੈ ਜਦਕਿ ਪਾਲ਼ੀ ਪਿੰਡਾਂ ਵਿਚ, ਖ਼ਾਸ ਕਰ ਖੇਤ ਦੇ ਕੰਮ ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲ਼ੇ, ਨੌਕਰ ਨੂੰ ਆਖਦੇ ਹਨ। --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੪:੪੭, ੭ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਵਰਤੌਂਕਾਰ

Please correct the spellings of ਵਰਤੌਂਕਾਰ. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੩:੪੪, ੮ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

The same about the namespace is already known to me and on it to fix but bcz of some problem it's taking time. Anyway, if you're talking about any other please specify. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੩:੫੦, ੮ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

No rest is ok with me. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੪:੨੫, ੮ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Okay, thanks for your concern, I've corrected it but not come to action yet. May be soon. Thanks! --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੪:੫੨, ੮ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Template Creation

As I also asked you earlier, please tell me a simple way to create the templates for countries as are to used in "ਰਾਸ਼ਟਰੀ ਪੰਛੀਆਂ ਦੀ ਸੂਚੀ" or tell me how to correct the name dispalyed to Punjabi for Aland Islands. I've tried creating its template but the name is coming in English not Punjabi.--Babanwalia (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੦:੨੯, ੯ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Thanks for being here. Please check your talk page for the reply. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੦:੫੫, ੯ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

My Possible Promotion

Sat Shri Akal Tari Ji. You just said possible promotion on my User Page. Was it only for the links i had to my blogs? Or there something now also which can bother someone ? --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੫:੧੧, ੧੭ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Self-published material, blogs, phone numbers, link to own websites and other personal info is self-promotion normally as you seen in case of user "Ranjitpreet" (also from his other account "Ranjit preet"). Wiki is not for that, dear. You can use your userspace freely, anyway. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੬:੨੬, ੨੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Your temporary access is going to expire soon

Hello, you were granted temporary adminship in this wiki which is going to expire in a few days. Just to let you know that if you want to continue as an administrator here, you need to request an extension on stewards' permission request page on Meta-Wiki. Usually you only have to make a local announcement on your local village pump or request for adminship page, and if there are no objections after no less than three days, your request will be fulfilled. Additionally, if you think the community is big enough to elect a permanent administrator, you can place a local request here for a permanent adminship, so stewards can grant you the permanent access. Please ask me or any other steward if you have any questions. Thank you! Trijnstel (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੯:੨੭, ੨੧ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Patience

I request you to be patient and accomodating while editing articles which are in the process of editing. It causes a lot of distraction plus removal of red links comes at a cost of removal of relevant knowledge as you did in Fiji where you removed the links for languages which I was correcting myself. Also before improving the Punjabi style discuss it on the page as I dont think replacing ਸੁਤੰਤਰਤਾ (No doubt about its Punjabiness) with ਅਜ਼ਾਦੀ has brought any significant improvement in Punjabi except your own purist motives. Also you changed numerals for area to Gurmukhi but you didnt notice that it has been removed completely because the template requires the numerals to be in Latin which it changes to Gurmukhi by itself. So please wait for the edit session to get over with before making further edits. Thnx--Babanwalia (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੩:੫੩, ੨੫ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I know the templates not accepts Gurmukhi numericals but removed the non-existing templates also. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੪:੦੦, ੨੫ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Noted you did the same that you reverted when done by me, that's disappointing, :-( --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੪:੦੬, ੨੫ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Couldn't understand what you said in the first reply. Sry.

Plus I didn't revert all of it it, just the part I think was wrongfully botched up. And I dont believe in blame-games. So please wait for a while to do the edits (You are very welcome to do that bcoz it's WIKIPEDIA but just let me complete mine) so that I dont have to revert them partially or fully.Thnx--Babanwalia (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੪:੧੧, ੨੫ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਧੰਨਵਾਦ

ਮੇਰੀ ਗ਼ਲਤੀ ਨੂੰ ਠੀਕ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ ਧੰਨਵਾਦ! --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੯:੪੩, ੨੮ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਤੁਹਾਡਾ ਹਮੇਸ਼ਾ ਸਵਾਗਤ ਹੈ। :-) --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੭:੧੩, ੨੮ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਈ-ਮੇਲ

ਸਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ! ਕਿਰਪਾ ਆਪਣੇ ਈ-ਮੇਲ ਜਾਂਚ ਕਰੋ, --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੨:੦੩, ੨੮ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਫਿਰ ਤੋਂ ਜਾਂਚ ਕਰੋ, ਮੈਂ ਜਵਾਬ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਹੈ --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੬:੨੯, ੨੮ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਮੈਂ ਜਵਾਬ ਦੇ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਹੈ। ਮਿਹਰਬਾਨੀ ਕਰਕੇ ਚੈੱਕ ਕਰਨਾ। --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੭:੦੮, ੨੮ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਤਰਜਮਾ ਦੀ ਜਗ੍ਹਾ ਅਨੁਵਾਦ

ਤਾਰੀ ਜੀ, ਜਦੋਂ ਆਪਾਂ ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਫਰਮਾ ਵਰਤਦੇ ਹਾਂ ਤਾਂ ਓਥੇ ਮੇਰੇ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਤਰਜਮਾ ਦੀ ਥਾਂ ਅਨੁਵਾਦ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਆਉਣਾ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ। ਤੁਹਾਡਾ ਕਿ ਖਿਆਲ ਹੈ? ਕੀ ਇਸ ਵਿਸ਼ੇ ਉੱਤੇ ਪੋਰਟਲ ਵਿੱਚ ਚਰਚਾ ਕਰਨੀ ਚਾਹੀਦੀ ਹੈ ਜਾਂ ਨਹੀਂ ? --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੩:੩੩, ੨੯ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਮੇਰੇ ਖ਼ਿਆਲ ਚ ਤਰਜਮਾ ਵੱਧ ਵਰਤਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਸਮਝਿਆ ਜਾਂਦੈ, ਇੱਥੋਂ ਤੱਕ ਆ ਅਨਪੜ੍ਹ ਪੰਜਾਬੀਆਂ ਦੁਆਰਾ ਵੀ। ਆਮ ਪੰਜਾਬੀਆਂ ਕੋਲ਼ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਅਨੁਵਾਦ ਲਫ਼ਜ਼ ਵਰਤੋਗੇ ਤਾਂ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਆਮ ਤੌਰ ਤੇ ਸਮਝ ਨਹੀਂ ਆਉਂਦੀ। ਮੈਂ ਸਭ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲਾ ਲਫ਼ਜ਼ ਤਰਜਮਾ ਹੀ ਸੁਣਿਆ ਸੀ ਜਿਸਨੂੰ ਅੰਗਰੇਜ਼ੀ ਚ ਟਰਾਂਸਲੇਸਨ ਆਖਦੇ ਸਨ ਅਤੇ ਸੁਣਿਆ ਵੀ ਖ਼ਾਲਸ ਪੇਂਡੂ ਵਡੇਰਿਆ ਤੋਂ ਸੀ। ਅਤੇ ਇਹੀ ਜ਼ਿਆਦਾ ਪੜ੍ਹਿਆ ਵੀ ਹੈ। ਅਤੇ ਇਸਦੀ ਹੀ ਵਰਤੋਂ ਆਮ ਵੇਖਦਾ ਹਾਂ। ਵੈਸੇ ਤੁਹਾਡਾ ਧੰਨਵਾਦ। --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੩:੫੨, ੨੯ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Enough

Enough is enough TariButtar, you are discarding peoples contributions without good reasons, and want us all to follow the English wiki, it's policies and template and IT IS NOT ON, looking at all the outside commentators it seems that you have no leadership qualities and none at all of an admin. The very atmosphere in this small wiki is harsh and unfriendly to the editors. You need to have an understanding and patience, so long as your few days as ruthless admin of this wiki which I hope will soon end. I am saying I am willing to work with you as long as you become a normal editor. Since this a wiki and not your zone I would like to inform you that everyone is allowed to bring new ideas to a wiki and that is something you need to firstly accept. §§VibhasKS_ਚਰਚਾ ੧੪:੧੪, ੨੯ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I guess you're talking about the revert of antka then please have a good consensus before using. I think getting community consensus is not copying English wiki and please don't mislead people by using the words "English wiki policies" as it's nothing like following en.wiki policies in it and a small wiki like this needs the community consensus more than that. Please don't use just following your personal preferences so please be patience your template 'll no go anywhere just wait. Again I wanna say that having community consensus is not copying the en.wiki and I think you know it very well. So please wait, dear. Please don't be angry :-) . And we all must now switch to Punjabi instead of English. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੪:੩੭, ੨੯ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

What the hell? consensus, consensus, consensus! Get a LIFE! and allow this wiki to grow, let others bring their ideas, if you really wanting to be admin you would have made this wiki grow but instead did not as I said earlier I will only work with you if you will be a better person and learn to work with me. Let us work TOGETHER not against each other. This is for the wiki's sake §§VibhasKS_ਚਰਚਾ ੧੫:੧੯, ੨੯ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

and you still are pushing for consensuses and discussions instead of growth, its Amazing ... §§VibhasKS_ਚਰਚਾ ੧੬:੧੪, ੨੯ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Vibhas Ji is right, tariButtar is in Punjabi language wikipedia to fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and fight. --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੬:੨੨, ੨੯ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

In your last hours as an administrator I suggest you undo the damage you created in the main page. §§VibhasKS_ਚਰਚਾ ੧੬:੨੮, ੨੯ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I'd like to add that VibhasKS has some good points of criticism, but you need to focus on the way you deliver them, a kind „Please stop and work with me“ would have been better. And for Rajender, such a comment is not necessary, it gives us immense joy to see you back here but please don't push us, we all want to work together as a friendly group of wikipedians, not soldiers. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not the boxing ring or the battlefield. --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੬:੪੬, ੨੯ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Enough Vibhas Ji. I've been keeping an eye on this brawl which dominates this wiki now. I was trying hard not to write a single comment on all these topics of Punjabi vs Hindi vs Hindustani vs Persian and vs what not. I think the best volunteer work is the work done silently and anonymously. But really the water flows above the head now. And whatever I write, take it in good spirit, please, bcoz neither am I a sibling of Tari Ji nor a cousin of Vibhas Ji. Really you both are Punjabis and claim of indisputable command over the language. Vibhas Ji, you claim that Tari Ji is hampering the growth of this wiki in that he keeps on pressing his views on your contributions or the ilk. But really, really Vibhas Ji, what all contributions have you made on the articles on this wiki that Tari ji has deleted or modified. See here (http://pa.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B8:Contributions/VibhasKS&offset=&limit=500&target=VibhasKS). To, me a major chunk of your contributions here is on Talk pages and Community Portal where u keep on lamenting that someone doesn't allow you to contribute but where are you contributing. In an article of some category like geography, history etc.? NO, for the past 30 days you are contributing to nothing more than to the daily feuds over here. I know I may seem to be having an accusatory tone or something but believe me, I'm the one most pained to write all this for you and others(I waited for almost two weeks to comment). It's like you are complaining of the recipes and way of preparation of your dinner when you don't take dinner at all!!!

You want that Tari should not make us follow English wiki. (That fact that all wiki projects are the followers of the FIRST ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA, not withstanding) So tell me should we follow you instead? Should we change all of the wiki terms so as to suit your dialect's needs and also to make our common Punjabi more "India-specific" because our Punjabi is our Indian thing and their Punjabi is some Arab thing. Regarding this thing I would like to say you a single thing: "Don't create more divisions in Punjabi of two sides as has already been done by partition and don't try to cross the boundaries while trying to assimilate the Punjabi f two sides." You say everyone is allowed to bring new ideas here. True, no truth better and sweeter than this. But are you applying those ideas or are you just bringing them forward because you think yours are the most ingenious, innovative and "better for this wiki" ones. Please start contributing to the articles instead of talk pages and I'll myself apologize if someone tries to crush your ideas or words ( not, of course, if they are wrong or are in Jammu's Punjabi). Please let's make the length of articles longer and not those of pages of Community Portal or each other's user-space. Thanks and sorry if I offended you, but as you said, enough is enough.--Babanwalia (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੬:੫੦, ੨੯ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Babanwalia ji, I shall be prepared to contribute tomorrow when TariButtar's adminship is ended, this is what I wanted, and all my progress in discussions are do save my contributions from TariButtar's admin reverts. and deletions. §§VibhasKS_ਚਰਚਾ ੧੬:੫੬, ੨੯ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

It's enough from all of you Ji's, COMMENT ON CONTENT NOT ON CONTRIBUTORS!! --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੬:੫੮, ੨੯ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

//What the hell? consensus, consensus, consensus!//

I must say this atitude of Vibhas is completely wrong. The wikipedia system works entirely on consensus. Without consensus we cannot work. I strongly suggest to stop brininging new topics to continue heated discussins between users. There were some issues which affected the editing atmosphere here and we discussed it. Now we need to move forward for the benefit of Punabi wikipedia and Punjabi language. So now it is time for us to forget the past and start constructive contributions. Please remember we are only 7 or 8 active users respresenting the whole Punjabi speakers. So please be friendly and help each other.--Shijualex (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੬:੧੩, ੩੦ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Adhak

Shouldn't „ਇੱਕ“ ਅਤੇ „ਵਿੱਚ“ should always have an Adhak, without it it would like writing „dont“ instead of „don't“? --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੬:੩੩, ੨੯ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Please Don't Go

Tari ji i would like to request you to not go as there are only a few Punjabi speaking people on this wiki. And if you leave then native Punjabi Speakers No. would decrease. As i have said before that i also got discouraged at first but realised later that what you did was right. I think it is the case with others too. You should continue your good work. We need good editors in Punjabi Wiki or it is going to become a mess. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੨:੦੩, ੩੦ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

TariButtar's misconceptions have spread to all the members of this wiki. Satdeep ji, everyone is allowed to edit on Punjabi wiki, even if it is not theirs mother tongue. We both edit on en.wiki, while I'm sure we will agree that it is not our mother language. I edit on nl.wiki when even Dutch is not my mother language. So please rid yourself from such misconceptions that TariButtar has proffessed throughout this wiki. Accept and welcome new people, I know that I can work with you Satdeep ji and I am very exited to take this wiki to new heights with your help! But let us remove such misconceptions first :) With Regards, §§VibhasKS_ਚਰਚਾ ੧੫:੦੫, ੩੦ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

As a fellow friendly editor on this Punjabi language wikipedia, I would like to state it is better for our Punjabi language wikipedia that tariButtar has left, I am never say that this is my view because of what he did to me but as a neatral veiw. I am not tariButtar Ji, vibhas Ji, satdeep Ji, babanwalia Ji and zarienah Ji's sibling either but I would like to also say on this talk page that tariButtar's leave will make this Punjabi language wikipedia a very happy place for all peoples to come and edit. Taributtar ji also admins right was taken away just because the way he treats many users and has made a user like User:Shemaroo, User:pskattu, User:SivenderSM, User:Guglani and even me and myself also many more may have been left out before I joined Punjabi language wikipedia. He also has done his own rules and I must follow them that I did, but now I know that he was wron and it was not language Wikipedia s rules but his very own that I tried to follow but will no more. I have always tried to keep cool and calm with him and always thanked him for anyhing he has done for me but he has failed to do the same for me, only one small thanks and for the rest he only wanted problems, so I just shut up and ignore him and try to keep making articles until I can not handle him nomore so I left and came back to see the truth about the tariButtar Ji which made me fill with joy as I am free to put my contribution here. I want to thank tariButtar Ji for his time and maybe intention and effort but it seems that it was not worth the while and energy. In cunclusion I will like to say that Punjabi Language Wikipedia Is Better Without TariButtar Ji. thanks to all Punjabi editors, you all are what drive my passion to edit here. Thanks you all --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੬:੨੯, ੩੦ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Maybe TariButtar was wise to leave, rather to see this. I'll need to admit TariButtar has made many mistakes but if you all feel that it is what he deserves then I have no objection anymore. Do what ever you want because I Support you. Hearforth I shall not interfere with your matters with TariButtar. --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੬:੫੭, ੩੦ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Your temporary access has expired

Hello, the temporary access you requested on this wiki has expired. Just to let you know that If you want it back, feel free to make a local announcement and open a new request on stewards' permission request page on Meta-Wiki later. Moreover, if you think the community is big enough to elect a permanent administrator, you can place a local request here for a permanent adminship, so stewards can grant you the permanent access. Please ask me or any other steward if you have any questions. Thank you! -- Avi (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੫:੩੧, ੧ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Patience

Can you please wait, and take in other peoples points before moving anything to your preferred title. Thanks & Welcome back! --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੦੯:੧੮, ੩ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I think the same msg should be posted on the first mover's talk page as I just moved it back. The discussion should be prior its move not after move! Hope I succeeded in making you understand my poin and thanks for the welcome. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੦:੨੪, ੩ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਅਧਾਰ means FOUNDATION (Stub) mister TariButtar dear, Stub does not mean small. Try to understand properly before you push what you like §§VibhasKS_ਚਰਚਾ ੧੦:੩੧, ੩ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Please check This, this and this before starting altering English even. And yes, how you did with ਖ਼ਬਰ the words "Try to understand properly before you push what you like" suits you not me as I just moved that template (chhota) back. Have you ever had a discussion about what you're gonna do? Just move what you liked and same you did with ਬੋਲੀ. So you better understand properly as wiki don't rely on a google search. And most important, I'm not back to get involved in conflicts as we have community to decide. And a discussion needs a week normally. So revert the damage you did and let the community decide and you are free to do in which the discussion results. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੦:੪੪, ੩ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

again you make me laugh TariButtar it's hilarious, your defenition states "Something cut short or arrested in development: a stub of a tail" what else but a foundation! You are trying to make the punjabi read as Hindi ख़बर, you are just altering the language on your own basis, which you can't do so sorry why don't you consider those principals instead of preaching them to me. And another ill practice you have installed in this community that they need a discussion to edit and change names. It's a real shame §§VibhasKS_ਚਰਚਾ ੧੦:੫੭, ੩ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

no, you make me laugh saying "..as hindi ख़बर". And you're altering the language not me and I've told you time to time. Okay, coming to the point, ख़बर is not a hindi word its of Urdu. Hindi has समाचार. And not "foundation" as if it were the English may used it much time before even when we are not familiar what "wiki" is. Take the matter to community portal not use my page. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੧:੦੯, ੩ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Hilarious TariButtar!! :) go watch a Hindi news program and even a Punjabi news program before you say that! §§VibhasKS_ਚਰਚਾ ੧੧:੧੧, ੩ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

and just to let you know ਸਮਾਚਾਰ is a Punjabi word too §§VibhasKS_ਚਰਚਾ ੧੧:੧੩, ੩ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

why must I take it to the portal? You are the only one who has problems §§VibhasKS_ਚਰਚਾ ੧੧:੩੧, ੩ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

It is nice to see Mr TariButtar back because I like his joke!!! but it is bad for the Punjbai language wikipedia because he is just creating more many fights and fightings. TariButtar is tell all how wiki must working but he was a bad administrativer, commited sockpuppetory in the face of the Punjabi language wikipedia community and even bullied certain members that did not dance to his tunes. Now I do not will put up with any of this, next time TariButtar is commiting bully on me or on any other maimber then I will launch a case to the Stewarts --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੪:੦੫, ੩ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)