ਵਿਕੀਪੀਡੀਆ:ਕਠਪੁਤਲੀ/ਘੋਖਾਂ/Satdeep gill

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Satdeep gill ; ਵਰਤੌਂਕਾਰ ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ ; ਯੋਗਦਾਨ[ਸੋਧੋ]

Suspected Sock(s):

These users always seem to edit the same articles, they never use proper Punjabi punctuation (they always leave untidy spaces between words and when ending a sentence they do "ਹੈ l" and not "ਹੈl") and their untidy, undesirable editing styles are the same (see articles ਕ੍ਰਿਸਟੋਫਰ ਕਾਡਵੈੱਲ & ਪ੍ਰੇਮਚੰਦ). They are not active at the same times either, Also the names "Gill" already suggests meatpuppetry. Sockpuppetry & meatpuppetry are against Wikipedia policies and will result in a block. Please do not use sockpuppets as you are not fooling anyone. Read the Sock puppetry policy & the Meatpuppetry policies. This is not meant to discourage any user, being a member of this wiki I'm just enforcing the rules of Wikipedia. --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੦:੩੮, ੧ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Comments from other users[ਸੋਧੋ]

Giving facebook links won't prove anything, one can also sock facebook. judging by your editing style, I find it hard to believe that you are two different people. but if that was the case you should have stated it on your userpage (you claim to have edited in the English Wiki & you have been on wikipedia since 2009, so one would expect you to know this). --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੪:੦੯, ੧ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Solid Points
  • The user has two accounts
  • They create and edit articles with the same style
  • They are not active at the same times.
  • This message clearly says that he aims to edit with his father as a team, a crystal clear breach of en:WP:MEAT#Meatpuppetry. (which is probably the reason why he removed it)

I have expressed this concern as I've been keeping an eye on these users for the past couple of days and it has come to my attention that they may belong to the same person. The users have not directly abused (not that I know of), however their editing styles are undesirable and unhelpful and moreover the use of two accounts to carry out these edits does not help anyone - I hope this answers TariButtar's question. —Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੭:੫੩, ੧ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

At the same time they are not being constructive, I admit my first articles were not either, but I stopped once TariButtar notified my, meanwhile these users were there for a long time and have been given plenty of messages, if they had been editing like this on the English wiki, they would have been long blocked. Their editing style is EXACTLY the same (untidy, unneat, wrong punctuation etc see their articles), And another thing why isn't the Charan Gill commenting in his sockpuppetry case? --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੫:੦੫, ੨ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
If you look to the English Wikipedia sock puppetry cases, when all the evidences are lined up enough to make them definite suspects, the admins block all the suspects however they do still give them a chance to appeal the block. They block them even when it is not 100% sure. Perhaps if our admin could do the same please? --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੩:੨੪, ੫ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
Firstly, please clear whom you wanna block, both? And secondly please bring others users here, also. Should an admin block accounts just relying on the discussion between the suspects and the one who accused them? Please bring others here and also Guglani, an admin. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੩:੪੦, ੫ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
The sockpuppeteer(Satdeep gill) and his sock(Charan Gill), check some of the English wiki's cases, as long as all the evidence is lined up and they are definite suspects (don't have to be definite socks) they should be blocked but also should be given a chance to appeal to the block --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੩:੪੩, ੫ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

what do you mean by 'given a chance to appeal'? Did you mean blocking with the ability of editing own talk page (so that user can edit their talk page while blocked)? Also, please bring others here. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੩:੫੭, ੫ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Yes that's what I mean --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੪:੦੨, ੫ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
I hope that this will sum up and close this case, these are direct answers to Vituzzu's questions:
    • Writing Style: They have the exact same writing style, see this article and this article at their first revisions done by Charan Gill and Satdeep gill accordingly. The style and punctuation is exactly the same proving that there is no difference in their editing style.
    • Possible relationship: They just so happen to engage themselves around the same articles, when Charan Gill creates an article it just so happens Satdeep gill adds to it, and at times the other way around, and they just add information, they have never challenged each other or removed each others work. In the past few days Satdeep gill has been more active and has slightly changed his style while Charan Gill seemed to be much less active but my point remains the same.
    • Benefits for the Gills: Satdeep gill clearly states here and also at the first comment under the heading „comments from accused parties“ that he and his father are here to work as a team, and according to the meat puppetry policies, it is unacceptable.
Now it is obvious that they are definite suspects and clearly have the intention to breach meatpuppetry by working as a team from one PC. Once again I appeal for this a block and close to this case. --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੬:੩੧, ੮ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
As of the community being little, I think (if no other way) only one of them should be blocked not both. Hmmm? And should we wait for Mr. Vituzzu to comment? --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੭:੩੮, ੮ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
We are two different persons and moreover the metapuppetry is valid if we are using it for some personal interest. We have not abused anyone. I think the work we have done should be evaluated rather than these fake allegations which are just useless. This is not going to help in anyway.
  • And there is no benefit for the Gillz by we being on wiki. And team work means that we discuss what we do as we are in the same stream. Meatpuppetry doesn't discourage any such thing. It discourages the fact of using these accounts for some personal interests. We have not supported each other at any time. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੨:੦੭, ੯ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
There is a possible benefit for "the Gills", Meat puppetry is when you and a family member work as a team from one computer, clearly that is your intention and aim on this wiki therefore you have breached this policy, be the community small or not, if one has breached a policy that has the consequence of a block then... they will have to be blocked. --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੪:੧੫, ੧੦ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Comments from accused parties[ਸੋਧੋ]

Charan Gill is my father and we usually work as a team and we use the same Computer. You can see my father's activity on facebook too. https://www.facebook.com/charansinghgill?fref=ts . And there is no logic for me having two accounts. Then my edits will get divided into two accounts and i don't want that. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੦:੧੬, ੧ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Rather i don't think that you should be worried about such things as long as we are helping to expand Punjabi Wiki. Such allegations are very much discouraging. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੦:੧੮, ੧ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

What kind of malicious purpose do you think i have so that I have made two accounts. What kind of policy is this that a father and a son can not have accounts. And it is quiet natural for a father and a son to think alike. I am saying that we are two different persons. You give your facebook id to me and i will add you and My Father will add you also. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੦:੪੨, ੧ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

There has not been any such problem with me till now. And rather my father made his account just recently. And i didn't know about anything like that moreover i suppose till date i have just helped my posting new articles and editing earlier ones. I don't think i have any political reasons for which you thought i might have made the account. Facebook will provide you photographs of my father and mine will show you mine. And both the account will show you our different activity on Facebook. So, it was not just about the links. And let me tell you that a workshop was supposed to be held in Chandigarh on 29 of September where I and my father were supposed to go. But due to some reasons it is postponed as the College authorities were busy. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੫:੨੨, ੧ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

You can do whatever you want to do. This is so much freaking. I think these types of things are the reasons why Punjabi Wiki is least developed. Now just tell me what to do. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੦:੩੭, ੨ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

"Some individuals may promote their causes by bringing like-minded editors into the dispute."

Tell me what's my cause that I am promoting. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੦:੪੧, ੨ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I'm commenting here just to let you know what you are supposed to say here; we don't want to know the causes that you support and we don't want to know what your activities on facebook are, this is wikipedia and you have to come with justified points to prove that you are two different people. --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੪
੧੫, ੨ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

He avoids indulging in such type of Discussions. He very well knows the strength of his Integrity. Moreover he is not familiar to Wiki much as it has not been long since he created his account. Only about a month I guess. He was in Nabha the whole day so he didn't have access to internet too. Such discussions are wasting a whole lot of time. Let me tell you that since you said this yesterday i have not able to concentrate on posting new articles. I would like discussion to stop here. I am not going to respond now. If you still feel any problem then contact on my user page. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੬:੦੮, ੨ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Zarienah, why one can't have two accounts here, may be only because user may use one to support other or taking any other advantages. But in this case I didn't find any such matter. Did you? Or you know any other harmful effects of having two accounts? Else later. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੪:੨੫, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
TariButtar, I have given the proof that this is one person using two accounts, and they may not have tried to support each other yet but the message Satdeep left on his talk page and then removed proved what he intended to do in the future, which is a clear breach of our policies. And also he has failed to come up with proof that Charan Gill is not his account, a bland excuse like "father and son do everything the same" and a facebook link is not enough, Taributtar see how these cases are conducted in the english wikipedia, an admin would have issued a block by now, so please act accordingly. Thanks for the co-operation! --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੦੮:੪੦, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
I deleted that comment because after posting it i read that you said me to comment here. So, I deleted it. I can post it here also. And tell me what is the problem with you ?

What proof do you want ? I think you have no concern for Punjabi Wiki and you are jealous of us that we are doing so much good work. We are native speakers of Punjabi and we know more about it. These allegations of yours are not helping anyone. Do think blocking me would be of any benefit to Punjabi Wiki All this discussion is of no use. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੦:੨੭, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Aha! Who care Native Punjabi or not, see now you are getting personal with me (again against the wikipedia's policies), your work and articles don't help and are lacking proper punctuation, your template activity is not even constructive either, just creates garbage here, theres some more reasons for you & your other account to be blocked --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੦:੪੧, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
Ok i am sorry. But I think that my articles have almost correct punctuation. And i am saying that the other account doesn't belong to me, It belongs to my father. How I am supposed to prove that? --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੨:੧੮, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

That's a question Zarienah. Please help him if you know any better or specific way to proof the thing. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੨:੪੩, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Simply counter my points (properly with evidence of course), also it is not Charan Gill's preference, if he can come explain how different you are then maybe this case will go somewhere otherwise he can keep his preference and then the the rest of the users will analyze and vote on what must be the consequence of the case. --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੨:੫੩, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
This is, I don't think, any difficult to ask the other, as you said he's your father, to come and explain.

One more thing Zarienah, I'm asking this from a neutral point of view, that if the same person have both the account then he/she will definitly react to be totally different (from/by-using the other account). Sorry, I'm in confusion, how it'll help in tracing accounts' ownership! --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੩:੦੬, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

  • Only one account belongs to me. Because I am not going to benefit by making two accounts and then becoming equally active from both.
  • Yes we edit in same style that is because whatever i have learned about translating is from him. But he is only into posting articles and editing grammatical mistakes because he is not much accustomed to the technical stuff whereas I, beside posting articles, I link the articles to other wiki projects, I put images in articles, etc.
  • We are not active at the same time because we share the same PC. Moreover during day time i.e. 9 to 3:30 I go to study, So he is mostly online during that time or early in the morning, because he gets up early.
  • Meatpuppetry is about promoting one's cause by bringing like-minded people. So in this case too I don't think that I am promoting some cause of mine.

I hope this solves the case. Zarienah --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੩:੦੮, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

We don't want to know your personal routine, technical knowledge or anything like that, give proof from within wikipedia that you are different. He posts articles and so do you and in the exact same style even using the same English templates that I so beg you to stop using --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੩:੧੮, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
and you had said something about attending a workshop, to get in touch with the Punjabi wikipedia community then all you need to do is discuss things on talk pages, as not even all the people who are working in the Punjabi wikipedia, live in India. --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੩:੩੬, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

You can take any article posted by him and then check its History. Then you will see what he do and what i do . For example take this one which he posted http://pa.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4&action=history . In this he posted the main article and i put the template in it. And linked it to other wikis and see this one http://pa.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ਲੇਵੀ_ਸਟ੍ਰਾਸ&action=history I created this and you will see no edit from him. Even if he edits it in the future, It will be about the text only and not the other stuff. Because i can myself add other wikis and templates. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੩:੩੫, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

This link here clearly shows the difference between the article he posted and i added other stuff http://pa.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4&diff=84479&oldid=84053 --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੩:੩੭, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

there's not much of a difference all you did is add an English infobox(while there is a Punjabi one) and interwikis, see my links who an article created b you and by Charan have the exact same style. --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੩:੪੦, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
Where's the link ? --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੩:੪੯, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
In the first paragraph of this case. --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੩:੫੧, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Both the links shows edits by him. The problem that you see is because of him both the times. Just check it again. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੩:੫੫, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Sorry I may have posted the wrong revisions, but you could not even recognize which one you created? Check the first revision, one was created by you and the others was Charan Gill's --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੩:੫੯, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I think you should check again. I don't think there is anything like that. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੪:੦੫, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

please stop beating around the bush, and make your points clear, if we go on like this I will contact a higher authority to investigate this case. --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੪:੧੧, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

What is beating around the bush ? The links provided by you don't prove anything. I am out of this discussion let others decide what to do ? --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੪:੨੧, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

We are the only three (also once Guglani) to be mostly active here on the discussion. As seeing the discussion not coming to an end, I think we need a helper specially that is experienced in such cases. And I think we can reach them at meta.wiki. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੪:੩੧, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Satdeep the discussion is about you, here you have once again failed to bring evidence, so it just proves that you are untruthfully operating two accounts with the aim to work as a team, TariButtar its obvious now, I think it's safe to say that this is a breach of meat-puppetry & sock puppetry, a block and close should be in order now. --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੪:੪੯, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
I feel deeply hurt to be accused as i am a person who never indulge in illegal activities and am trying my best to help in building Punjabi wiki . I did my Masters degree in Punjabi honors in 1983 from Punjabi university and i was the topper in that session . hundreds of Punjabi do recognize my activities for the promotion of Punjabi and Punjabiat .Surjit Patar , Amarjit Chandan and Gurcharan Rampuri well known Punjabi poets are among them . My son Satdeep is my student too as i am helping him in acquiring the knowledge of highest level . I can't understand why someone feel the need to suspect me . --Charan Gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੫:੦੮, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
Looks like even the talk style is the same, again you are beating around the bush, bring evidence on why we must not suspect you. We don't want to know your life achievements, we want to know why you are innocent. --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੫:੧੮, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
One thing is sure that they are two individuals because i know about Charan Gill. I think we should stop this discussion and move further on other topics. --ਸੰਧੂ | kJ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੬:੧੦, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
That can't help Kooljeet, not only are they using two accounts but also are nonconstructive, and I've contacted a higher authority since this is going nowhere. --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੬:੨੪, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
I don't know? I was sure Satdeep gill Ji was a good editor? --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੦:੧੬, ੨੮ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Admin's comments[ਸੋਧੋ]

I would like to ask Zarienah, what she suggest for the situation or what could be a good solution? Have you found any of them recruiting by the other to support one's position? Could you please link to any such edit(s)? --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੨:੨੩, ੧ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

taributter, you are asking a solution, whereas this case is not even worth examining for the mentioned problems.. gill is acommon familyname for many punjabis on which basis zariena has erred to frame the case and also finding common style for two users to use full stop or danda in punjabi is not any basis for such accusations from which respectable users should refrain .--Guglani (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੩:੩੪, ੧ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
Being a Punjabi, I also know that, Guglani ji! I just wanted know Zarienah's intention behind it; also, was she noticed something solid?

As an admin, you should examine things from several angles. Don't be too quick. Thanks you! --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੩:੫੧, ੧ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Also, it doesn't mean "she-suggested-we-done". It is just to get more from her. It also doesn't mean that she is right but if has started this, let her make her point. You and I've checked but she may (or may not) have something solid. Anyway, the solution/result is not entirely relying on her. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੬:੦੨, ੧ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
As of not being active at the same time, Satdeep said they have the same computer. Satdeep clearly said that the other one belongs to his father and I didn't found them supporting each other. The same style may also a result of using same resources (typing etc.). Moreover, having two account 'll divide their contributions among and the users may know that. But the suspect(s) are well active from both the accounts. Do you found them taking advantages of two accounts?

As of having two accounts, what about VibhasKS and ਵਿਭਾਸ ਕਸ਼੍ਯਪ here? I found him/her active mostly on the same article. At first the user edited from ਵਿਭਾਸ ਕਸ਼੍ਯਪ but now redirected it to VibhasKS. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੧:੩੧, ੨ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Reply to Zarienah: I think we must not be too quick and also think we need help from a highly experienced in such cases; may be a checkuser or any other higher authority from outside the wiki. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੯:੩੬, ੩ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
I've just took a look via checkuser and well, Charan Gill and Satdeep gill definitely share the same pc now is up to you to check some things:
  • Writing style and common ranges of times, in order to understand if there's just a person behind two accounts or two different people
  • Possible relationship with two other users, Rajinder pal singh and Swarnjit singh
  • Check if there were any actual benefit for "the Gills" which would had made sockpuppetry be worth
--Vituzzu (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੨੨:੫੮, ੬ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
Since no vandalism is reported to be done by Satdeep Gill,I think I am authorized to conclude ,that Satdeep gill does not remain an accused user for sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry anymore in a bad sense.Any loss of reputation caused to this user, because of this is regretted. refer also Sockpuppetry has Legitimate Uses Too. --Guglani (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੫:੦੬, ੧੭ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Sockpuppetry has Legitimate Uses Too.[ਸੋਧੋ]

This means that a person can have two accounts according to Wiki. The use of multiple Wikipedia user accounts for an improper purpose is called sock puppetry. Editors of Wikipedia use the term Meatpuppets to label contributions of new community members if suspected of having been recruited by an existing member to support his position.

Please read the policy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry thoroughly and then block us if you feel we have done something wrong. We have not done anything illegal. We are helping in making Punjabi Wiki a good Encyclopedia. Wikipedia itself says that one person can have two accounts and moreover we are two different persons. We have not supported each other anywhere. We both are just learning from each other in real life as well as on WIKI. And we have done something wrong then i suppose we should be given a chance. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੫:੦੩, ੧੬ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
I agree with Satdeep.
Using multiple accounts by itself is not a problem. Vandalism is a problem. If Satdeep vandalized articles, please speak about vandalism. If Satdeep makes mistakes in his writing, help him as friends to learn the language better. If Satdeep didn't vandalize articles, stop this bickering and go write some articles in Punjabi. --ਅਮੀਰ ਏਲਿਸ਼ਾ ਅਹਰੋਨਿ / Amir E. Aharoni (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੧:੦੦, ੧੬ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
Glad to see you again, Amire, welcome back. I also expressed the same (my 4th comment under "Admin's comment") and noticed that the discussion is going on without any too good points. I too, want this to be ended finally, resulting in something better. --tari buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੨:੧੫, ੧੬ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
Read his first statement to Satdeep gill's defense, he stated he here to work as a team with his father, teaming up with your family is meatpuppetry, and now even looking at Charan Gill's changes, the style just *happens* to have evolved to the way Satdeep gill is now editing. --Zarienah ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤਯੋਗਦਾਨ ੧੬:੩੯, ੧੮ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
Meatpuppetry by itself is not bad. Period. It's perfectly fine to write in Wikipedia in a group.
If you think that their writing style has problems, please discuss the style. Don't discuss sockpuppetry and meatpuppetry - it's irrelevant. --ਅਮੀਰ ਏਲਿਸ਼ਾ ਅਹਰੋਨਿ / Amir E. Aharoni (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੬:੪੨, ੧੮ ਅਕਤੂਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)